Sunday, August 1, 2010

Teabaggers can't handle the truth, delete factual comments, respond with insults, denial

A look into the mind of the TN teabagger.

The blog: Wilson County [TN] Tea Party Reports declares on their blog: "We do not fear an educated electorate!" ... yet they delete factual comments. Here is the comment they deleted:

Republicans are fighting to extend the Bush tax cuts for the top 1%. According to the Wall Street Journal, if you make less than $300,000, you will do better under Obama's 2011 tax plan, as Obama's 2009 taxes were the lowest in 60 years. Here are the facts:
I guess that's too much education.

TN Teabag candidate for Congress Lou Ann Zelenik is at it again, deleting factual comments from her Facebook page. You really can tell the level of intellect of the TN teabagger constituency by reading her supporters' comments. Their ignorance is shocking, as are their theocratic views, conspiracy theories, etc... . They are nearly 100% white and Christian, no surprise. Here are some examples:

Stacey Smith Fitzgerald: "TROLL - go away. Go enjoy your socialist government and leave us Conservatives alone you jerk"

Beth Obrien: "Maybe the the children of some of the fine folks on here will ultimately be indoctrinated into the wonderful beliefs of the Islamist among them...strap on bombs, fly planes into buildings, and mutilate women. Yeah that's the ticket! We are going to use our own constitution to destroy ourselves."
Robert Robinson: "You still haven't responded to my question from a previous thread, Yelverton... HOW MUCH are you being paid to spam this page and WHO is paying you?"
Robert Robinson's page says he is a big fan of fake professional wrestling... and bacon. Professional wrestling and Nascar should be the official teabagger sports.

When quotes by Thomas Jefferson were cited about his view of religion, teabagger responded:
Joyce Diehl Sanders: "Where did you learn American history? Some one lied to you, son."

Lou Ann Zelenik cited as a historical source, David Barton, a liar and a fraud. Barton has no credentials as a legitimate historian (he holds a bachelor's degree in Christian education from Oral Roberts University). His practice of Christian nationalist history revisionism is designed to dupe his audiences into believing that the United States was founded exclusively as a Christian nation, a necessary element in getting people to vote for and support the agenda of his political cohorts. He has admitted producing quotes that are undocumented, highly questionable, and outright lies.

Yet, Lou Ann's minions love it:

Lori Jenkins: "David Barton is such an American Treasure. I'd love to spend the day with him teaching me REAL & TRUE American History."

You wouldn't have guessed it but... the above comentator went to a Christian school. Now that's indoctrination. A true believer in an unqualified fraud who tells here what she wants to believe.

That is the way teabaggers think. Soon this level of ignorance and denial may be running this state.

Bonus: if you can find a teabagger blog or website that accepts unmoderated comments (as this blog does) - please let me know. It seems such blogs are almost non-existant, it seems the teabaggers want to keep a firm grip on the denial of facts.

UPDATE: REPUBLICAN Rep. Bob Inglis (R-S.C.) has characterized the teabaggers in an article:

"poisonous, tea party-driven demagoguery that will undermine the GOP's long-term credibility ...recounting his frustrating interactions with tea party types, while noting that Republican leaders are pushing rhetoric tainted with racism, that conservative activists are dabbling in anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nonsense, and that Sarah Palin celebrates ignorance."


Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for you. I pity you. You are very hateful yourself. Yet, you point at other people's hatefulness. That is the typical liberal mentality. You hate those that don't agree with you. You have a lot of resentment built up inside you.

William said...

No, the liberal mentality is exactly what your thesauras gives as a definition of liberal: generous, broadminded, tolerant, enlightened, charitable, advanced.

I live in a world of facts, tolerance and acceptance of world cultures, open to learning and new information. By their very definition, conservatives tend to be the opposite:


Conservative: ...stingy, miserly, reactionary, regressive, bigoted, prejudiced, biased, narrow-minded, strict.

... from Roget's Thesaurus

Anonymous said...

No, you are narrow minded. If someone doesn't agree with you, then you result to insults and name calling. Open minded means that you are open to all views and opinions. Instead, you belittle those who disagree with your views. Last time I checked "teabagger" had a negative connotation. You, my friend are a contradiction.

William said...

No I cite facts, quotes, data. My factual comments are often deleted from conservative sites because they don't like the truth. You won't find me deleting comments. Those that insult and offer no factual basis for their positions I simply quote to point out their ignorance and tactics. Their own quotes stand as a measure of their character and intelligence. If you find your own quotes to be insulting, that's your problem.

Anonymous said...

So, 'teabagger' is a fact? 'Red-neck' is a fact? I merely thought those were terms used to belittle those who don't agree with your opinion. The truly sad part is that you are too blind to see that you are just as prejudice and narrow-minded as those you criticize.

Anonymous said...

One 'fact' you forgot to present about the tea party demographic is education level. So, you should probably add well-educated to white and Christian.

William said...

Regarding the term "redneck" - I was quoting from Rogets Thesaurus:
Redneck happens to be an accepted synonym for conservative. Sorry, that's what the reference book said.

As far as education goes, look at the 2004 election:
12 of the TOP 14 states in % of college educated adults voted for Democrat John Kerry: D.C., MA, CT, MD, NJ, VT, MN, NH, WA, NY, CA, RI

ALL of the BOTTOM 16 states in % of college educated adults voted for Repulican GW Bush: WV, KY, MS, AR, NV, IN, AL, LA, TN, OK, IA, OH, SD, SC, WY, NM

William said...

BTW ... Sarah Palin bragged about being a redneck:
"Yes! Someone called me a redneck woman once and you know what I said back? I said, 'Why thank you.’"

- Sarah Palin

Anonymous said...

You need to get your facts straight. Some view red-neck as deragatory. You still didn't answer my question about teabaggers.

Anonymous said...

Additionally, you try to discredit those who think differently than you by questioning their intellect and by calling them ignorant. Yes my friend, you are indeed the perfect model of tolerance.

William said...

I would answer your question about teabaggers if I knew what it was or who you are. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

What would you call someone who feared and criticized another culture without having any personal experience with that culture? It is the very definition of prejudiced (pre judging) and ignorance. That is exactly what the TN teabag movement has shown us. I've asked Zelenik numerous times to describe her personal experience with Muslim families in this area, and how many friends she has. She never answered so we can assume she has no experience and judging by the signs the teabaggers were carryng at the rally, proves abject ignorance: "9/11 is all you need to know about Islam".

The term redneck is a source of regional pride for some. As you can see in this video where Sarah Palin sings along to the "Redneck Woman" song with all her redneck friends:

Anonymous said...

Bill, here is my book…..
First, I am not a member of the tea party, but I will probably vote for Lou Ann in the primary today. I am a conservative, white, CHRISTIAN male. I am very conservative both politically and socially. I would classify myself as middle class. I have an MS degree in Information Technology. My family home schools our children. I am exactly the type of person that you discriminate against. I understand the tea party movement and what the movement 'as a whole' is trying to accomplish. I also realize that I cannot change your mind anymore than you can change mine.
Finally, I assure you that I have spent a lot of time around Islamic people. (Probably more so than you.) I can tell you this. Lying is very acceptable in their culture if it used to promote or conceal (the true meaning of) their religion. Google Taqiyya and look at the various definitions. In other words they are taught to put on a face. The Islamic culture teaches lying. As far as I am concerned, you cannot trust a Muslim any more than you can trust a politician. They (Muslims) will smile and be very, very, very, friendly to you during the daytime, but quickly stab you in the back when it gets dark. I could give you specific, multiple examples of how I have personally seen this used by Muslims in National Security situations, but I would be divulging information that would be deemed classified.
I will tell you (some) about my Muslim “friend”, Mohammed. He was very nice. He lived in the United States with his Caucasian wife. He lived a peaceful life and managed a grocery store. Much like many here in Middle Tennessee. Did I mention that he was very nice? We actually invited to him to our house for dinner multiple times. Although he never came to dinner, he would always greet my family with smiles and a very cheerful heart. In fact, he would be the first to tell you that Islam was a religion of peace and that he despised extremists. We would run into him all the time and we generally spoke to him for at least 10 minutes each time. We would sit down at the local restaurant and dine with him about once a month. He actually started to change my mind about distrusting Muslims.
Mohammed really loved the United States. He loved it so much that he got a job helping the United States as a DOD contractor. In fact, he would talk about all of the opportunities he had because he had become a citizen. He would also boast that he loved the freedom of religion that the United States offered. He was living a good life and making a lot of money from our taxes. The only problem is that he was aiding Muslim extremists the whole four years that I knew him, and we (tax payers) were paying his six-figure salary the entire time.

Anonymous said...

You can say what you want. Call me a bigot. Call me a fear monger. I don’t care. Mohammed had to pass a pretty stringent background investigation in order to land a job as a DOD contractor. Thus, if he had any previous ties to extremism, they would have been discovered. Sadly, this is not an isolated incident. This happens all the time, but you don’t hear about it because it is embarrassing to the government and could have national security implications. You hear about how we torture and mistreat those in US custody. By the way, they are told to lie about that too. Google Manchester Document. Have you heard about the GTMO detainees throwing sperm, feces and urine on our guards? Have you heard about or had to deal with the young female soldier/sailor who is crying because the detainee tells her exactly what he wants to do to her? Have you heard about or had to deal with the emotional stress that a young soldier/sailor has to endure when a detainee has miraculously learned his name and where he lives and has threatened to kill his family?
So, you can go on believing the “religion of peace” propaganda. And yes, I realize and acknowledge that many of the Muslims in the United States have become somewhat Americanized and are really not a threat. However, many are also very sympathetic to the radical cause. But let me ask you this… What would happen if I tried to build a big church in any Islamic nation? Yes, you guessed it. The folks from the “religion of peace” would kill me for doing so. Why is that? That is because their entire government is based on their “religion of peace”.
Unfortunately, there is no good answer. First, the Constitution guarantees the freedom of religion. Thus, they are free to worship and build an Islamic center on the land that they own. If we take away their right to build the Mosque, it will set the precedent to take away our rights to build churches. That is not a good thing. Second, radical Islamic idiots from the “religion of peace” that like to blow up things lead to fear which leads to discrimination against all Muslims. Unfortunately, this discrimination breeds more radicals from the “religion of peace” to blow up more things. It is a vicious cycle that cannot be broken, and there is no good answer. However, if the new Islamic center brings one extremist to middle Tennessee, then that is one too many. The extremists from the “religion of peace” will just as likely slit your liberal throat as they would my conservative throat. Yet you protect them and criticize those who fear them. Look, I understand that you think their fear is irrational, but don’t slam them for it. Instead, why don’t you acknowledge and understand their fears. That would illustrate the heart of a true liberal.

William said...

Thanks for your comment. You cite experience with one Muslim person who you claim supported extremists. My experience with Muslim people is a bit different. I have Muslims friends that I've know, not merely for years, but for decades. Close family friends. My personal physician is a Muslim, the guy whose restaurant I frequent is a Muslim, and many students I've had over the years are Muslim. None, to my knowledge, ever supported extremist or condoned attacks on America.

I find it an interesting dychotomy that virtually all the teaparty people who fear Muslims are Christian an 99.5% white. Why do you suppose that is?

Personally, I'm not an advocate of Islam, or any religion, becoming the basis for a national governing identity (Saudi A., Iran, etc...). I believe it is dangerous.

I have lived in Boston, NY, and in Miami (where I, as a caucasian, was a racial minority) and I've had a variety of experience with different cultures. America is becoming more racially and culturally diverse, and that IS our strength. To deny this is prejudiced/ racist. And that is the problem with life in the mid-south. There is less religious diversity here than any place I've ever been. The majority of people here have had zero or limited contact with people of other cultures, this is an obvious fact. People who are evangelical Christian are obviously convinced of their path to God, (as are Muslims, Jews, etc...) and that even further fuels the feeling ofthreat and intolerance.

I find it personally far more threatening that the majority religion, Christianity seems to have no problem with an unspoken "religious test" for public office (which is unconstitutional) and running our government by Biblical principles. (which, if you interpret literally, could mean death to non-believers, death to non-virgins, gays, etc...).

Conservatives, especially evangelical southern conservatives, seem to really fear change, and change for America is inevitable.

Regarding Gitmo and US torture.... that is a fact and has been confirmed by the Int'l Red Cross and the US military's own investigator. Such torture has done everything to hurt America's credibility as we have desended to level of the enemy under Bush. There is no doubt that Bush commited war crimes. History will show that fact. I would recommend the Oscar award winning documentary film, "Taxi to the Dark Side."

In our war against Islamic extremists, education is our best weapon. Read the book "Three Cups of Tea" and see how education is making a difference in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Anonymous said...


Like I said, we will not change each other’s mind. I have accepted that fact. I mentioned one experience that stood out to me. I was merely citing one Muslim's talent at deception, but I also pointed out situations like that happen much more frequently than publicized. I also stated that it is culturally acceptable to be deceptive in the Islamic culture. Thus, I also understand why people fear Muslims. You have lived in many areas and experienced many cultures and living with southern culture can be quite an adjustment. I can definitely understand where you are coming from. I have lived in Scotland, Sicily and the Caribbean. I have visited China, Japan, Mexico, Aruba, Brazil, Italy, Greece, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, and the Azores. I know about cultural adjustments.

I also know that most Americans don’t really know how good we have it. These people say we have it good, but most really do not understand. Most have not lived in or visited other countries for extended periods of time. Yet, they sit home and scream how bad they have it.

Lastly, you say that people here in the south are influenced by the religious beliefs of their candidate. Generally, voters pick the individual that will represent their interests the best. Therefore, a Christian supporting a Christian candidate is no different than a homosexual supporting a candidate with a strong gay rights record. Also, let’s not forget the percentage of African Americans who voted for President Obama.

William said...

Saying that all Muslims are deceptive and it is part of their culture is like saying all evangelicals support the Bible's orders to kill infidels (2 Chronicles 15:13), kill those who worship differently (Exodus 22:20), kill non-virgins (Deuteronomy 22:20-21), kill gays (Leviticus 20:13), etc...

Religion is a funny thing. You can rationalize that the above Bible quotes don't REALLY mean what they say, or they're taken out of context, etc... but there they are in black and white. Christians have taken similar Koran verses to "prove" Islam is a violent religion.

I think you have to be on the outside looking in to see these comparisons impartially.

Religion by it's very nature is a divisive thing. In the words of George Carlin, "My god has a bigger dick, than your god."

Amazing how much further into fear the right wing has slipped since GW Bush said the following, ""The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them. ... The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam." - G.W. Bush 9/20/01

You should look at the parallels between the KKK march in Murfreesboro against the building of a Catholic CHurch and compare it to the Tea party march against Islam. Very striking similarities.

Anonymous said...

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention my faith and how it comes in play in my writings to you. Yes, I am a conservative Christian. I take the Bible literally. I believe in a young earth. I believe man is flawed and has been so since Adam and Eve sinned, but above all I believe God is in control. I also believe that acknowledging our sinfulness and professing our faith in Christ is the only way to heaven. Thus, there is a huge problem for Christians like myself. The worldliness takes over and we try to fight for our beliefs. We tend to appear judgmental and convey our message the wrong way. Jesus tells us to LOVE everyone. However, when we are trying to ‘love’ others, we point out their sinfulness in an attempt to get them to change. Unfortunately, this comes across as judgmental. The funny thing is that we also do it to all our fellow Christians, but many non-Christians feel like we only judge them. We are merely trying to follow what the Bible teaches, but we are human and also flawed. I will try not to get too biblical, but Jesus clearly illustrates that you don’t stone the adulterous woman or prostitute. He merely states that you find satisfaction in Christ. See John Chapter 4. Off to vote!

Anonymous said...

Readers, please note the previous anonymous commenter. This is an example of someone who no longer is open to learning and his/her religious dogma dictates every aspect of his/her life. Admitting that he/she is a "young earth" creationist shows that dogma has erased all abilities for this person to think logically and critically. Such individuals are who America must fight against because they are interested specifically in pushing Christian theocracy into every aspect of our society. They are the new KKK, the American version of the Taliban, and their move to push religion into our laws, schools and government is unconstitutional and divisive, further, it is the Christian version of Sharia law. They are not negotiable because they believe they already have the absolute truth and are on a mission from god. We can not let America fall into the hands of these theocrats. Such people do not have tolerance for those that are different, they have lost the ability to think critically and logically because they already "know the truth," they are essentially mentally possessed by dogma, surely just as those were that attacked America on 9/11. We are a better country than to allow these science denying, logic refuting, pack of sheep that have a sworn allegiance to a dogma, take over American politics and society. Fortunately, most of such religious conservatives are literally a dying breed, most are over 50 and do not represent the future of America. They may win in a backward corner of the US like Middle TN, but they will not be successful in breaching the separation of church and state that our Founders so strongly put forward in our Constitution. "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Wake up America. Hasn't religion caused enough war and division throughout human history? We don't need that here in a free America.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I guess I proved my point that you are intolerant! YET, YOU CALL YOURSELF A LIBERAL. You should be ashamed! You truly are the model of intolerance, but you point you finger at other people. IT IS REALLY SAD THAT YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR OWN FLAW. LIBERALS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT EVERYONE. I have proved my point. You are no more tolerant than a member of the KKK. Yes, you may be tolerant of other races, but a Christian to you is no different than a black man in the south in the 50's.

Anonymous said...

Was this one of your Miami friends?

William said...

The difference between a blackman in the south inthe 1950s and the fundamentalist Christians today is this: blacks were looking for equal rights. Fundamentalist Christians today are not looking for equal treatment, they want to control government, education, and law. Huge difference.

I say "fundamentalist" Christian because these are usually the most dogmatic type. My girlfriend is an Epicopalian, she does NOT see the Bible as literal and most thinking Christians do not either. As I put in an earlier comment, if you DO take the Bible literally (which is difficult citing the hundreds of contradictions) then you must believe in killing: Kill infidels (2 Chronicles 15:13), kill those who worship differently (Exodus 22:20), kill non-virgins (Deuteronomy 22:20-21), kill gays (Leviticus 20:13). And yes, if you believe that - like the Bible says - people who believe differently must be killed, then yes I do discriminate against such Christians and it not prejudiced, because the word means 'prejudged'. I have not prejudged fundamentalists who I have seen in my own experience to be willfully ignorant science denying, logic defying, believing in dogma that blinds them to fact... that is not the sect of Christianity I can identify with and these types are in fact dangerous to America. They have a bogus idea that America is a Christian nation. They are ot happy simply worshiping privately, they feel compelled to force their beliefs on others by trying to institute their belief systems in gov't, law and education. The FACT remains that America is secular and that nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in EXCLUSIONARY terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- NOT ONCE.

Anonymous said...

Bill, the funny thing is that the fundamentalist Christian would say the same about people who call themselves liberals, but are equally intolerant of opposing views. Where explicitly in the Constitution does it mention 'separation of church and state'? It does mention separation of church from state. Please do tell.

William said...

There is the problem. You assume all liberals are against Christian beliefs, as if the Republican party can claim ownership to Jesus. It is a ridiculous and divisive attitude that I don't want to be a part of.

Again...Liberal means: generous, broadminded, tolerant, enlightened, charitable, advanced.

Conservative means: stingy, miserly, reactionary, regressive, bigoted, prejudiced, biased, narrow-minded, strict.

Which group do you wish to identify with?

Again, the only time religion is mentioned in the constitution, it is mentioned to be EXCLUDED from government. Get a clue.

William said...

I see you're commenting from the VA server at Silver Springs, Maryland. Are you involved here in local politics?

Anonymous said...

what I was looking for, thanks

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